Comments on: Racism against the same race in chapter 16

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By: hurston

hurston — Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:17:59 +0000

I agree with Emily that this thinking is intriguing. It also seems backwards. Her thinking that they need to lighten up the race by marrying light skinned blacks to other light skinned blacks is stupid, seeing as to lighten up th erace, you should inter marry light skinned and dark skinned blacks. This thought procces is similar to the focusing on thew rong front that takes place in The Bluest Eye. Similar to how the women think that the whores are bad, the fact that they think that if they had lighter skin they thought higher of by whites is an examle of this. In fact, lighter skin or not, they are still looked down upon by whites.

Dan

By: hurston

hurston — Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:53:22 +0000

Emily, the notion of lighter skinned blacks being better than darker ones comes from the time of slavery. Lighter Skinned slaves were deemed more suitable to work in the house than in the fields. Also by having lighter skinned, you were most likely part white, so by having some white in your blood you wouldn’t be considered as bad as other blacks. Also, Nicole your comparison between Jody and Mrs. Turner is correct. However, a part of it is that, Jody wanted to separate Janie because of her role as the Mayor’s wife. Mrs. Turner thinks this way because even is she is ugly, she seems herself as pretty and above other blacks because of her light skin tone.
-Andy 11-27-05

By: hurston

hurston — Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:44:01 +0000

Yes in this instant Janie does stand up for Tea Cake and defends him and his “type” against the harsh opinions of Mrs Turner. However Janie is often critizied, as Nicole said, for “not staying in her class”, by towns people, friends, and even her husbands. Janie’s first husband, Logan, always pointed out the fact that Janie was brought up in a white, rich, family household: “Considerin’ youse born in a carriage ‘thout no top to it, and yo’ mama and you bein born and raised in de white folks back-yard…Ah thought you would ‘preciate good treatment. Thought Ah’d take and make somethin’ outa yuh. You think youse white folks by de way you act” (Hurston 29). Do you think that Janie’s actions and attitudes are ever affected by the way she was brought up?

EMILY DESTEFANO

By: hurston

hurston — Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:57:41 +0000

I agree with Emily that Mrs. Turner’s actions and thinking process is very interesting. I would like to add that we see this racism in the same race earlier in the novel in Chapter 6. Jody thinks exactly like Mrs. Turner in chaper 16. They both believe Janie should be considered higher than the rest of the black people because her skin is lighter than most blacks.

I think Hurston’s implication in portraying this type of racism within one race is to symbolize the irrational realities of life. Harold Bloom states that many characters from Eatonville believed that “Janie refuses to stay in her class” (Bloom 13). However this is interesting because Janie refuses to Mrs. Turner to see herself as higher than Tea Cake and the others in Jacksonville.

-Nicole Leva